we got to the classroom and she told us how disappointed in us she was. that we have learned none of the teachings of the church, nothing about forgiveness, nothing about turning the other cheek, that we behave as hooligans first and catholics second. >> when we first asked you to come to the interview, we were talking about twqo things. the automobile stuff and the kidney operation. >> it is like i tell -- i have had to kidney transplants. a wonderful colleague of mine, martha mcneil hamilton, both transplants are still functioning in me. it has taught me that you have to try to take a vantage of light-ticket manager of life now. -- take a bandage of life now. -- advantage of life now. without going through pain, i do not regret it. >> go back. when did you have the operation? >> the first one was in 1998. that was my wife's transplant guest to me. my wife, marianne. the second one was in 2001, which was for martha hamilton. -- from martha hamilton. we worked together for a long time. she said that i needed another kidney and she said that she had two an